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[persephone_kore]

It is a really pretty day. Warm but not hot, sunny but not blinding.

And I don't think I did this the first time it went around, so... ship meme. Mention one and I will write 100 words or thereabouts, may be favorable, unfavorable, speculative, whatever. If I have no idea what you're talking about, however, I do not promise the full wordcount. *g*

Edited to add: Will also happily discuss nonromantic relationships. Designate with an ampersand.

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[wabbitseason.livejournal.com]

Two Founders, your choice?

[persephone-kore.livejournal.com]

Ack, challenging! Um. How am I suppose to pick?

I'll start with the general... I tend to assume that all four of the Founders liked each other, at least part of the time, although I also assume the friendships were rather volatile. I think these assumptions were reinforced and supported by OotP, though I'll still sometimes read and enjoy other interpretations.

That said, there's quite a bit of room for different personalities for each one -- we know a set of things they valued, and we know the current reputations of their houses, and we know they all built the school and wound up fighting over it.

I'm not exclusive about any given Founder romance. They're prime candidates for pairing with OCs, actually. *g* But for inter-Founder romances... hm... I'll take Godric/Helga.

Helga/Godric seems, at first glance, somehow the blandest of Founder pairings, and I don't quite like this reaction on my part, so I thought I'd talk about them until it went away. I actually tend to favor Helga/Salazar and Godric/Rowena, insofar as I do inter-Founder shipping, and have sometimes gotten the feeling that Helga/Godric are the leftovers when people who consider Salazar and Rowena the more interesting, intellectual, and perhaps amorally glamourous pair them off. Also, the yellow and gold thing strikes me as vaguely disconcerting and glittery.

But it's not like any of that means they should be uninteresting. I think there would be a great deal of strength in that relationship -- both parties strike me as very solid and sturdy, and I don't mean that in at all a derogatory way. Even if they place their priorities differently, I think Helga would approve of standing up for those put at a disadvantage, and I think it can take a good deal of courage as well to hang onto stated Hufflepuff values. I also have a tendency to picture Helga as something of a warrior, or at least fierce (and fearsome) when given reason... and depending on what mood I'm in I picture her as being very warm or very demanding or more likely both. Godric may be the easygoing one.

[labellementeuse.livejournal.com]

Nita/Kit! :)

[persephone-kore.livejournal.com]

Diane Duane has posted about this ship on her blog; as I recall it, she said that they weren't going to "go there," or be ready to go there, for quite some time yet. I know I haven't got the phrasing right, but I'm equally sure that I got the decided impression they were going to go there eventually, whether that's during the course of the series or not. (Actually, it occurs to me she could have meant sex by "going there" rather than dating. Not sure.)

I think they are about as close a relationship as you can get already, though I disagree with the idea that this in itself would prevent them from having other close and successful relationships, including romances. I think they're great partners. I do think we have evidence that each finds the other attractive, though that alone wouldn't make the ship inevitable either. But the idea... feels right. *shrugs*

It still cracks me up that Nita sort of snogged the One's Champion, though. ;)

[labellementeuse.livejournal.com]

Cool. :)

Oh, me too,especially when you put it like that (Hmm, I wonder what Carmela would think of... nevermind.)

I totally agree, by the way, both that the idea feels right and that Nita and Kit will get together; actually, I was just re-reading Dilemma and I picked up the line which made me absolutely, 100% sure that even DD agrees:

"'If I was a stinker," [the Pig] said at last, I would demand a whole third truth from you, and then tell you one of the truths you originally asked for: where she is. But there's the glede to consider; things like that don't turn up often. And besides, I've always been a sucker for young-- well, for people in your situation.'
Kit waited, not able to make much of this.
The Pig raised its eyebrows..."

You canNOT tell me the Pig wasn't about to say "young love" there. Transcendence, remember??? :P

[persephone-kore.livejournal.com]

*giggles* Seems very plausible.

[jetamors.livejournal.com]

Harry/Draco?

[persephone-kore.livejournal.com]

Where did that come from?

No, okay, seriously, I understand that enemyshipping is not really an unusual thing, and that for a lot of people hostility and obsession between two characters they find attractive is a cue to perceive sublimated (sort of?) sexual attraction between the two. There are cases where I actually do get this, though I think I originally found it disconcerting in Anne of Green Gables, and that was... well, a different kind of hostility. Some people like ships where the characters actually try to kill each other, which Harry and Draco have so far avoided, though this may not last.

These two come across more as scorning and despising each other than fighting because they want the other on their side, though -- and that's even taking Draco's initial offer of friendship into account. I actually do enjoy the some stories where they come to terms (Rabbit's "Balance" comes to mind, though I'd adore that even if I didn't like what she did with Draco), and to be perfectly honest I probably would be interested in Draco-redemption myself if it weren't... as tired as it is. (But I would not be interested in demonizing the good characters for the purpose.) But... I don't really see the characters being attracted to each other, and the ship isn't attractive to me.

[malabud.livejournal.com]

Bill/Fleur :)

[persephone-kore.livejournal.com]

Hot, canon-probable, but not very developed.

Actually, long hair and earrings on a guy don't generally do it for me, but I definitely get the idea that Bill and Fleur are pretty much among the Beautiful People as far as the series goes, and unlike some of the other characters described as particularly aesthetically pleasing (e.g Bellatrix, Tom Riddle prior to funky snake transformation), also nice and good. Definitely a glamour pairing -- but that's not all there is to either character.

The bit in OotP about "English lessons" with Bill seems a pretty strong hint that they're attracted to each other, which is fun.

I can't say it's one I've ever given all that much thought to it, though. I enjoy reading good explorations of the characters, individually and sometimes together, but haven't really sought them out much.

[fovia.livejournal.com]

[sorry, i'm spying... i couldn't help it]

neville/harry?

[almost suggested hermione/goyle but we can leave that one for now... for now.]

:)

[persephone-kore.livejournal.com]

Spying? How dare you come around reading one of my public livejournal posts?! (Kidding. Obviously. I hope.)

I'm not quite sure what to say about Neville/Harry, if you mean it as a romantic pairing. I quite like it as a friendship. I think that for all his narrative notice of Neville's shortcomings, Harry was utterly sincere when he said Neville was "worth twelve of Malfoy." (And neither one of them has done a thing to change this relative assessment qualitatively, though quantitatively Neville may now have a higher multiplier, so I'll say that as a romantic pairing, Neville/Harry is much more reasonable to me than the more popular Harry/Draco. ...Obviously so is the friendship, though I admit to being a sucker for a good reconciliation.) Neville has mostly tended to evoke Harry's protective (or sometimes avenging) side on his own behalf, but there were definite signs ahead of OotP that there was more to him -- and in that book he certainly started coming into his own.

[fovia.livejournal.com]

i also quite like neville/harry as a friendship -- in fact, i see it so much as a friendship alone that it's taken me a while to wrap my head around them as a romantic pairing. however i've been persuaded to at least give it a glance, and i've read some nice fics about them in romantic situations. it seems like a natural thing now. you mentioned that neville evokes harry's protective side, and this draws me in the most, i think. i can see harry being completely protective and their relationship building from that. they have quite a strong connection, and it's not just from the revelation we had at the end of OotP -- the similarities they share, the personalities, it's all very connected.
also -- like you said -- he certainly started coming into his own at the end of OotP, and i see this as a product of the faith that his gryffindor friends have entrusted him with, and mostly the faith that harry has in him. harry's going to need neville, neville's going to need harry, and it's going to go from there.

anyway, thanks for this :)

[nisie.livejournal.com]

Off topic but I remember you having wrote a paper in college on Narnia. You might be intrested in this http://www.belmont.edu/cslewis/dept.cfm?idno=120

[persephone-kore.livejournal.com]

Huh -- thanks. I'd heard of the event, but only in general terms.